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		<title>By: Complex</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Complex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please make sure that I am invited to the next one....</description>
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		<title>By: Chapzilla</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>Chapzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting... more productive convos like this are needed.  I believe it starts with brothers and sisters communicating with one other for healing and understanding to begin.  Black love is eternal.  Let's take bigger strides to reclaim our  communities!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230; more productive convos like this are needed.  I believe it starts with brothers and sisters communicating with one other for healing and understanding to begin.  Black love is eternal.  Let&#8217;s take bigger strides to reclaim our  communities!</p>
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		<title>By: Jwa</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-639</link>
		<dc:creator>Jwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really was great to be apart of that conversationand see that sooo many people got sumthin from it.  I think I got a better insight of more views from alot of the comments that were left. Thank u.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really was great to be apart of that conversationand see that sooo many people got sumthin from it.  I think I got a better insight of more views from alot of the comments that were left. Thank u.</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so happy to see &#38; read &#38; think about this discussion. It brought some interesting points to the table and affirmed some of my lil' opinions that I always felt too silly to share.

I'm also a believer that Black love has and does reach the community in which it exists. Maybe it sounds corny, but I would walk around with my (former) boyfriend very proudly and very much radiating and people responded to that and admired whatever message we were putting out there. People also responded when they realized we were no longer together. My students have also expressed very earnestly and purely about the seemingly happy and healthy couples they see on the streets, in their own homes, how it makes them "want that." So, our love, our actions of love, can reach and inspire our neighbors, our babies. It's quite profound. I smile when I see any couple that seems to be shining with love, but I feel uplifted when its' a black couple. That's just how it goes for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so happy to see &amp; read &amp; think about this discussion. It brought some interesting points to the table and affirmed some of my lil&#8217; opinions that I always felt too silly to share.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a believer that Black love has and does reach the community in which it exists. Maybe it sounds corny, but I would walk around with my (former) boyfriend very proudly and very much radiating and people responded to that and admired whatever message we were putting out there. People also responded when they realized we were no longer together. My students have also expressed very earnestly and purely about the seemingly happy and healthy couples they see on the streets, in their own homes, how it makes them &#8220;want that.&#8221; So, our love, our actions of love, can reach and inspire our neighbors, our babies. It&#8217;s quite profound. I smile when I see any couple that seems to be shining with love, but I feel uplifted when its&#8217; a black couple. That&#8217;s just how it goes for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wassup Qa'id-- thanks for the shout out...very interesting perspective.

I agree, when you talk about Black Love it is much more than that which occurs between two people, romantic partners. Black Love stretches across the world and touches young an old. It's a smile or slang, a gesture, a handshake, an entire culture of music...BUT, eventually you have to talk about marriage because Black folks get married everyday.  

And to that end, marriage is what our society, most of the world, recognizes as the validating threshold of a romantic relationship, fortunately and unfortunately. Fortunately, based on my research, it seems that certificates were not in the original plan of marriage, these seem to have been later developed concepts- however (pls pardon me) here I need to dig deeper still. But, it seems that marriage in Genesis was about something deeper. And I'm still and will forever be learning about that.

We are bombarded by messages, etc., that to find one mate is good- whether we agree, as a people, we're aware of the implication and expectation thereof. We may not subscribe to those expectations but they're there. Now my feelings on this are mixed like most of us affected in society, by media and internet, blah blah. However, I do think a marriage can be the best relationship (example of black love) there is if it is good, inspiring, loving, and compromising.   
It teaches how to relate to one another, to sistahs and brothahs at large. In one aspect: there's nothing more loving to your people as a whole than the display of respect for ones counterpart. When you show genuine love and support for your "other half" you show respect for those who look upon it. Let's not be so quick to dismiss the Covenant whether or not we struggle with it. 

Again, my initial comment was brief and hopefully not insulting--point being I'm down to join a face to face discussion, and I happen to be married- so hopefully that adds perspective.

Black love is so many things, aggreed! AND black marriage is one of those things, most definately.

Much Love
D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wassup Qa&#8217;id&#8211; thanks for the shout out&#8230;very interesting perspective.</p>
<p>I agree, when you talk about Black Love it is much more than that which occurs between two people, romantic partners. Black Love stretches across the world and touches young an old. It&#8217;s a smile or slang, a gesture, a handshake, an entire culture of music&#8230;BUT, eventually you have to talk about marriage because Black folks get married everyday.  </p>
<p>And to that end, marriage is what our society, most of the world, recognizes as the validating threshold of a romantic relationship, fortunately and unfortunately. Fortunately, based on my research, it seems that certificates were not in the original plan of marriage, these seem to have been later developed concepts- however (pls pardon me) here I need to dig deeper still. But, it seems that marriage in Genesis was about something deeper. And I&#8217;m still and will forever be learning about that.</p>
<p>We are bombarded by messages, etc., that to find one mate is good- whether we agree, as a people, we&#8217;re aware of the implication and expectation thereof. We may not subscribe to those expectations but they&#8217;re there. Now my feelings on this are mixed like most of us affected in society, by media and internet, blah blah. However, I do think a marriage can be the best relationship (example of black love) there is if it is good, inspiring, loving, and compromising.<br />
It teaches how to relate to one another, to sistahs and brothahs at large. In one aspect: there&#8217;s nothing more loving to your people as a whole than the display of respect for ones counterpart. When you show genuine love and support for your &#8220;other half&#8221; you show respect for those who look upon it. Let&#8217;s not be so quick to dismiss the Covenant whether or not we struggle with it. </p>
<p>Again, my initial comment was brief and hopefully not insulting&#8211;point being I&#8217;m down to join a face to face discussion, and I happen to be married- so hopefully that adds perspective.</p>
<p>Black love is so many things, aggreed! AND black marriage is one of those things, most definately.</p>
<p>Much Love<br />
D</p>
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		<title>By: Qa'id</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>Qa'id</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DEE - you asked if any at the round table is married. I had the feeling we were all single, just based on the different perspectives everyone was expressing. I don't know if any one had previously been married.

Speaking of marriage -  I don't think Black Love has much to do with marriage. Sure, I understand why it's brought up and why it's relevant to a discussion about Black Love, but I think marriage is one of the reasons why so many of us consider Black Love and black relationships to be failing: here we are trying to conform our emotional experiences with one another to this institutionalized notion of harmony sanctioned by churches and bureaucratic certificates.  People love in different ways, and I think it's not always useful or fair to hold marriage up as the height of love, the epitome of balance, or the thing to aim for achieving in a relationship. Of course I know black couples that are married and have a beautiful union that fills me with joy and light just to behold them. But the source of that joy and that light is not the MARRIAGE, it's the LOVE. 

I'm not at all disregarding the strength, beauty, heritage, and value of the Black church - at all! But I think we're missing something if we turn to look at ourselves (and the way we do or don't love each other) and then say that the solution lies with our faith in a power that is beyond us. 

I'm going to hold firm to the idea that there is a lot we can do with and for each other to strengthen each other, to love each other, to teach other (especially the baybeez), to find our good partners, and to spread black love. The things we can do are not complex or expensive; they're really basic. Here's one: talk to the black people you DON'T know. Strangers on your street, folks in your hood, fellow shoppers at the grocery store, commuters on that bus/train you ride every day. Old folks, young folks, everybody. Let's get out of our personal comfort zones to create a more comfortable community. Risk embarrassment, risk rude responses. 

Get to know people.  When you know people then you can hold them accountable for their actions. When you know the brothers on the corner by name, then you can check them when you see them they verbally disrespect a young sister as she's walking by (for example) - and they'll listen. 

These are the types of roots of love that I think we need to take care of, so that not only will Black Love flourish in turn, but so too of course will Black Community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DEE - you asked if any at the round table is married. I had the feeling we were all single, just based on the different perspectives everyone was expressing. I don&#8217;t know if any one had previously been married.</p>
<p>Speaking of marriage -  I don&#8217;t think Black Love has much to do with marriage. Sure, I understand why it&#8217;s brought up and why it&#8217;s relevant to a discussion about Black Love, but I think marriage is one of the reasons why so many of us consider Black Love and black relationships to be failing: here we are trying to conform our emotional experiences with one another to this institutionalized notion of harmony sanctioned by churches and bureaucratic certificates.  People love in different ways, and I think it&#8217;s not always useful or fair to hold marriage up as the height of love, the epitome of balance, or the thing to aim for achieving in a relationship. Of course I know black couples that are married and have a beautiful union that fills me with joy and light just to behold them. But the source of that joy and that light is not the MARRIAGE, it&#8217;s the LOVE. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all disregarding the strength, beauty, heritage, and value of the Black church - at all! But I think we&#8217;re missing something if we turn to look at ourselves (and the way we do or don&#8217;t love each other) and then say that the solution lies with our faith in a power that is beyond us. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to hold firm to the idea that there is a lot we can do with and for each other to strengthen each other, to love each other, to teach other (especially the baybeez), to find our good partners, and to spread black love. The things we can do are not complex or expensive; they&#8217;re really basic. Here&#8217;s one: talk to the black people you DON&#8217;T know. Strangers on your street, folks in your hood, fellow shoppers at the grocery store, commuters on that bus/train you ride every day. Old folks, young folks, everybody. Let&#8217;s get out of our personal comfort zones to create a more comfortable community. Risk embarrassment, risk rude responses. </p>
<p>Get to know people.  When you know people then you can hold them accountable for their actions. When you know the brothers on the corner by name, then you can check them when you see them they verbally disrespect a young sister as she&#8217;s walking by (for example) - and they&#8217;ll listen. </p>
<p>These are the types of roots of love that I think we need to take care of, so that not only will Black Love flourish in turn, but so too of course will Black Community.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Douglas</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-502</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a first for me.  I am 75.  Want to say that I was very moved and impressed by the words of wisdom coming from you young women.  I look for more voices like yours as we move into the new age of Aquarius.  Change is moving in the air... or to quote Bob Morley  their is a mystic message in the air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a first for me.  I am 75.  Want to say that I was very moved and impressed by the words of wisdom coming from you young women.  I look for more voices like yours as we move into the new age of Aquarius.  Change is moving in the air&#8230; or to quote Bob Morley  their is a mystic message in the air.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-485</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were any of the people in this discussion married? I am...ask me some questions...</description>
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		<title>By: Marly Pierre-Louis</title>
		<link>http://squarerootz.net/black-love-roundtable/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator>Marly Pierre-Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Leeward, I think as a people we don't value ourselves or each other enough. Black women have more self esteem issues than the fellas (or is that we express it more?). And while it is not for a black man to tell a woman what her value is, as a black woman it gets exhausting supporting ourselves and our men. Sometimes it certainly can feel like our men are not in our corner. You use the word "defend" and I disagree that this is what we should be doing constantly. I'm not sure men realize how hard it is to step outside every day and have to put on armor against everyone, and specifically against our own men. Like Jessica said in the discussion, we are being disrespected left and right and it definitely takes a toll on our mental state. So while we do not need to be told by others what we are worth, it is time for our Kings to step up and stand up for their Queens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Leeward, I think as a people we don&#8217;t value ourselves or each other enough. Black women have more self esteem issues than the fellas (or is that we express it more?). And while it is not for a black man to tell a woman what her value is, as a black woman it gets exhausting supporting ourselves and our men. Sometimes it certainly can feel like our men are not in our corner. You use the word &#8220;defend&#8221; and I disagree that this is what we should be doing constantly. I&#8217;m not sure men realize how hard it is to step outside every day and have to put on armor against everyone, and specifically against our own men. Like Jessica said in the discussion, we are being disrespected left and right and it definitely takes a toll on our mental state. So while we do not need to be told by others what we are worth, it is time for our Kings to step up and stand up for their Queens.</p>
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		<title>By: Leeward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leeward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm quite suprised no one pointed out the most obvious reason why the black family is suffering; black people for the most part are poor. That's why the black communities in the south and southwest are flourishing somewhat, they have a sizable black middle class. Statistically, poor people tend to not get married, and when they do, their marriages conclude with divorces. The same phenomenon exists in white commnities.
Another reason why black love is faltering comes from the fact that black women today have apparently forgotten their value. It is not for a black man to tell a black woman what her value is, it is for her to constantly and adamantly defend herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite suprised no one pointed out the most obvious reason why the black family is suffering; black people for the most part are poor. That&#8217;s why the black communities in the south and southwest are flourishing somewhat, they have a sizable black middle class. Statistically, poor people tend to not get married, and when they do, their marriages conclude with divorces. The same phenomenon exists in white commnities.<br />
Another reason why black love is faltering comes from the fact that black women today have apparently forgotten their value. It is not for a black man to tell a black woman what her value is, it is for her to constantly and adamantly defend herself.</p>
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